Colin Marshall sits down in Hollywood with lawyer turned social dynamics expert Jordan Harbinger, co-host of the Pickup Podcast and co-founder of confidence education program The Art of Charm. They discuss how much time he spends explaining that he isn’t Tom Cruise from Magnolia; how he conceives of The Art of Charm’s mission to teach confidence, which involves teaching emotional intelligence; whether and how our generation of men have come out especially socially inept; the still-strong number of pickup artist types wandering around Hollywood, and the equally strong number of low-self-esteem women with whom they match; the importance of asking oneself the question “What can I learn from this person?”, an entirely different question from “What can I get from this person?”; the Pickup Podcast‘s origin in someone else’s basement, and how that developed into coaching and teaching; the skills of networking through his short law career, and how he realized they also applied to, say, meeting women; the day he found himself ostensibly studying for a law exam while remotely coaching a man for his imminent move from Africa to Denmark; knowing how to use Los Angeles, a land of “towns packed together for tax purposes,” especially its areas of dense “city life” like Hollywood and Koreatown; everyone in Los Angeles’ essential nature as a foreigner, and how that opens up the question, “Where are you from?”; his dull childhood in Troy, Michigan which led to an adolescence of conning and wiretapping, and then into Germany as an exchange student; language and travel as the engines of good social-habit development, and the advantages of becoming foreign and shifting your linguistic context; how “networking” became a dirty word; specificity, the enemy of relationships; the importance of people as vectors; and the sentiment “it’s all who you know — and thank God for that!”
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